A conversation with Robert SadinHow was this album conceived?I had finished working on two major projects - Gershwin's World with Herbie Hancock and Alegría with Wayne Shorter - and was speaking with Chris Roberts.
Our conversation turned to David Munrow, whose early death was a great loss to this world. Munrow had a tremendous vitality - he mastered an astonishing array of instruments and devoted himself to bringing the treasures of medieval and Renaissance music to the awareness of today's listeners. His recordings have a vibrancy and a sense of adventure which no one who has heard them will ever forget.
Chris raised the intriguing idea of revisiting Munrow's great album "The Art of Courtly Love," which features the music of Machaut, Dufay and others. This struck a very responsive chord in me.
At about that time my colleague and long-time friend Charles Curtis was spending the summer in New York. Charles is an extraordinary musician whose intensity of presentation stems from his intense concentration.
We started thinking about this music, especially the music of Machaut. And soon we were embarked on a journey of exploration.
Tell us something about Guillaume de Machaut.
We know Machaut died in 1377 and was probably born around 1300. He lived in the time of the plague and the Hundred Years' War. He served as a secretary and aide to various noble figures including the King of France, but he was never employed as a musician. He was well-known as a poet and as a composer. He wrote the lyrics to all of his songs and his poetry had a great influence on later generations.
How much do we know about how his music was originally performed?Not a lot. People who are devoted to reenacting this music in a literal way have to rely on re-mote clues, such as a painting of a singer whose neck muscles may hint at the type of tone pro-duced. Recent studies suggest that the performing style of the time was not as pristine or as "classical" as once was believed. In any case, we were looking for a far-reaching, free-form approach to the music.
The music on "Art of Love" sounds very much of the present time - how much Machaut is included in the final result?
We preserved every musical line that Machaut wrote. A little ornamentation here and there - but actually very little.
So where does it diverge from the original manuscript?
The solo songs by Machaut consist of a melody and a lyric. There is no specified accompaniment of any kind - nor are there any hints as to possible additional musical parts or instrumentation. We approached these songs as if they were newly written. That is to say we created harmonic accompaniment, counterlines and instrumental solos.
And there are no indications regarding rhythm instruments in Machaut's manuscripts. So the rhythmic foundations are another new element.
In the three-part songs, all of the surrounding elements - Cyro's infectious percussion parts, Lionel's guitar obbligatos, Hassan's vocal interjections - are unique to this album.
You mention that there are no harmonies for the solo songs. How were the harmonies created?The harmonic outlines were established in advance, but the fluid passing tones and the details of the voicings were improvised by Brad Mehldau and Romero Lubambo.
On one song, I didn't write harmonies at all. "Force of Love" is a trio for Charles, Brad and Cyro. Brad has such a superb range of harmonic expression that I simply gave him a copy of the mel-ody and let his ear be his guide.
Which was the first song you tackled?"Tu, meu sonho vivo." This song has a magnificent mournful melody. Charles and I were at my studio. We started by creating a bed of sine waves. This is really Charles's thing. Then Charles recorded his cello part. As soon as we listened to the melody enmeshed in the sine tones, we knew this was something to pursue.
How did you bring Milton Nascimento into the process?Milton is an incomparable vocalist and an adventurous spirit. From the moment that production began on the album, I started to hear his voice and feel his presence.
We recorded him in Rio. I can hardly describe the intensity in the studio: Milton asking for "one more take" and then "one more," his voice pouring out such profound beauty, such emotion, that I wish we could release an album of every one of his interpretations.
The Portuguese lyric which Milton wrote captures the flavor of Machaut and at the same time is pure Nascimento.
How did you approach the texts?
All of Machaut's lyrics are devoted to the medieval concept of "Courtly Love." In this tradition, a knight would develop an idealized love for a married lady within the court. She became an obsession for him, and her unavailability fueled his devotion. Although this custom put a premium on idealized, non-physical love, it seems that from time to time the wooing knight was success-ful, putting a very different slant on the whole concept. The lyrics of Machaut's songs are about hopeless, unrequited love in which the beloved is perfect beyond all imagining.
Machaut wrote in a French that only medieval specialists understand today. The force behind the translations into modern French was Yves Beauvais, an outstanding record producer and a good friend. Our only real departure from the sense of the original text was in "Python." We diverged from the mythology of the original to go in a more risqué direction. Lionel Loueke's understated, sly interpretation was a gift to the lyric in this new form.
Is this your first collaboration with Natalie Merchant?Yes. I have always loved her singing and songwriting.
We rehearsed at her house in the woods. Her generosity, her warmth, her humor - unforgettable. During one of the rehearsals she put the words aside and started humming the melody. Romero and I exchanged a certain look. We never returned to the lyrics again - only to Natalie's voice.
It was a surprise to hear Madeleine Peyroux in a speaking part.
I have known Madeleine for many years, since she first came to New York. When I called to ask her to read the text of "Amour me fait désirer," she made time even though she was about to leave on a long European tour. That's just the kind of person she is. Her recitation of the poem has the same sense of rhythmic nuance, the same subtlety of color which characterizes her singing.
Jasmine Thomas is a new name to me.
Jasmine is a young American singer. She has retained a very precious sense of directness and simplicity. The words come alive when she sings. I think her future is very bright indeed.
There are a lot of African sounds on the album. How did that become part of the concept?
Everyone realizes how much African music shaped American music, but African music also had a huge influence on the music of Europe. Is it an accident that the virtuosic vocal ornaments and coloratura of Europe found a home in Italy, so close to North Africa? I don't think so.
For some time historians believed that there was an important Arabic influence in medieval music. This is subject to some debate now, but it's an attractive concept. I am not a scholar in these matters by any stretch of the imagination, but I like to think that the Arabic presence in the Iberian peninsula left reverberations in the French-speaking regions of Europe as well.
What do you feel links these musicians from so many traditions?
Of course their excellence - but there is another thread which runs through the choice of musicians. Although many of them have had tremendous public success and acclaim, they have consistently resisted the blandishments of fame. They have determinedly, even stubbornly, pursued their personal vision.
In his harmony textbook, Schoenberg advises his students to take the path of most resistance. I think that applies to the participants on this album.
Cyro could have easily established himself as a touring percussionist. Charles could have settled into life as an orchestral principal cellist. Mark Feldman could have been content to play re-cording sessions in Nashville, or play in jazz groups in New York. But the musicians and singers on this album have a professional and artistic profile which includes seemingly conflicting and even contradictory elements. They refuse to be pigeon-holed. They reject conventional characterization.
After being immersed in this album, what are your feelings about Machaut's music?
What is most amazing to me is how his melodies just bury themselves in the memory and the psyche. How is it that more than 700 years later these sequences of notes can have such an impact? This is a mystery to me. Although the original lyrics often seem overwrought, the music is extraordinarily fresh. The melodies and harmonies are far from today's classical music conventions, yet they speak even more directly and profoundly.
Traditional
1. Song of the Dawn [5:11]
Milton Nascimento, Jasmine Thomas, John Ellis, Brad Mehldau, Charles Curtis, Cyro Baptista
Guillaume de Machaut (1300 - 1377)2. Douce Dame - arranged by Robert Sadin [3:22]
Hassan Hakmoun, Mark Feldman, Charles Curtis, Seamus Blake, John Ellis, Cyro Baptista
3. Natalie's Song - arranged by Robert Sadin [3:36]
Natalie Merchant, Romero Lubambo, Cyro Baptista
4. Python - arranged by Robert Sadin [5:00]
Robert Sadin, Lionel Loueke, John Ellis, Cyro Baptista
5. Amour me fait désirer - arranged by Robert Sadin [5:12]
Madeleine Peyroux, Hassan Hakmoun, Mark Feldman, Charles Curtis, John Ellis, Cyro Baptista, Robert Sadin6. Tu, meu sonho vivo - arranged by Robert Sadin [5:39]
Milton Nascimento, Charles Curtis, Seamus Blake
7. Comment - arranged by Robert Sadin [5:32]
Matt Shulman, John Ellis, Robert Sadin, Dan Weiss, Cyro Baptista, Lionel Loueke8. Brad's Interlude - arranged by Robert Sadin [1:17]
Brad Mehldau9. Dame, si vous m'êtes lointaine - arranged by Robert Sadin [5:04]
Robert Sadin, Matt Shulman, Graham Haynes, Brad Mehldau, Romero Lubambo, Charles Curtis, Cyro Baptista10. Force of Love - arranged by Robert Sadin [4:04]
Charles Curtis, Brad Mehldau, Cyro Baptista11. Doux visage - arranged by Robert Sadin [3:29]
Celena Shafer, Mark Feldman, Charles Curtis, Brad Mehldau, Cyro Baptista
12. Hélas - arranged by Robert Sadin [3:35]
Charles Curtis, Romero Lubambo
13. Evocation - arranged by Robert Sadin [1:11]
Milton Nascimento